Monday, November 18, 2013

Parents Fined For Not Sending Ritz Crackers In Kids' Lunches

It's quite possible that the single stupidest school lunch policy on the planet comes courtesy of a strange interpretation of the Manitoba Government's Early Learning and Child Care lunch regulations (an earlier version of this article incorrectly pointed at the Manitoba Child Care Association as the source of the strangely interpreted policy).

Apparently if a child's lunch is deemed "unbalanced", where "balance" refers to ensuring that a lunch conforms to the proportions of food groups as laid out by Canada's awful Food Guide, then that child's lunch is "supplemented", and their parent is fined.

Blog reader Kristen Bartkiw received just such a fine.

She sent her children to daycare with with lunches containing leftover homemade roast beef and potatoes, carrots, an orange and some milk.

She did not send along any "grains".

As a consequence the school provided her children with, I kid you not, supplemental Ritz Crackers, and her with a $10 fine.

As Kristen writes, had she sent along lunches consisting of, "microwave Kraft Dinner and a hot dog, a package of fruit twists, a Cheestring, and a juice box" those lunches would have sailed right through this idiocy. But her whole food, homemade lunches? They lacked Ritz Crackers.

So what say you? Have you come across a more inane school lunch policy? Because I sure haven't.

[Kristen also updated me that consequent to parents failing to pack "balanced" lunches they've moved to a hot lunch program that she describes as great. So perhaps some good came out of Manitoba's idiocy after all]

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245 comments:

  1. So, I am in favour of food policies in schools/daycares. For example, I would be fully supportive of a policy at my children's school that stipulated that only fruit (and not candy/sweets disguised as fruit) and vegetables could be eaten during the morning break/recess (a policy that would benefit the health of the child and likely littering at school), but this school policy is utterly ridiculous! It is not well informed and also fining parents is 100% not the way to go (especially as it is often the less well off parents that may end up being fined). A policy that makes healthy foods the more affordable foods is 100% the way to go. Also, I want to know who pockets the $10 fine per offence? Thanks for posting Yoni!

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    1. why only fruit could a child not have a piece
      of chicken/beef jerky a hard boiled egg etc...

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    2. Agree or disagree with the policy, Government should never be involved in matters of personal choice. The fine is actually an excise tax imposed for doing something they disagree with. The same thing can be seen in the US in regards to health insurance. Do it their way or be fined, (taxed).

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    3. Anonymous1:09 pm

      *of course* EVERYONE is 'in favor' of EVERYONE eating healthily, exercising regularly, and flossing between meals: JUST HOW MUCH of a super-nanny state are you willing to IMPOSE on EVERYONE to effect those ends ? ? ?
      ...and -just by-the-by- doesn't it disturb you to live in such an authoritarian system where sheeple accept such overly officious interference without bleating ? ? ?
      IF i was going to be a control freak, authoritarian 'do-gooder', there are a MILLION more important things i would DEMAND, than the content of kid's stupid lunch boxes...

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    4. Anonymous4:32 pm

      No good parent sends a defenseless child into government school.

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    5. Anonymous4:40 pm

      This is nice in theory, but would the school then like to take on my child's Selective Eating Disorder? He currently vomits at the thought of any fruit or vegetable touching his lips and eats a total of about 10-12 foods in total. We have to pay out of pocket for help to introduce him to new foods since the school or province don't offer services to help with his concerns. (He is the 3rd child in a healthy and clean eating family who has issues with eating beyond the norm of picky eating)/ BUT the school is quick to judge the food we send when it doesn't comply with their standards, even though it's that or he literally eats nothing.
      I think any school program requiring kids to eat foods based on what is supposed to be 'normal' or 'healthy' is useless if it doesn't accept that everyone is different with different nutritional needs and dietary concerns..
      I would have lost my mind at this note!

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    6. Anonymous5:46 pm

      Everyone has to be forced to eat healthy, Jawohl! (Obviously, the world war fought so Canadians wouldn't have to speak German didn't make much of an impact.)

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    7. The problem with these replies is that THE LUNCHES ARE NOT EVEN HEALTHY.

      Milk, from Cows, is not healthy. It causes so much ill health. Humans are not meant to consume Dairy.
      The other problem is that US milk typically contains Bovine Growth Hormones (unless it's organic), and most cheeses, especially aimed at children, contain high amounts of salt and even E numbers (to act as flavours or colours). Same with yogurts, typically yogurts contain a lot of sugar and fat, and often artificial sweeteners and/or flavors etc.

      Meat can be OK in small doses, especially if it's actually fish, or chicken etc. But meat *every day* is unhealthy, and that becomes so much worse if the meat is cured meat like hotdogs or deli ham etc.

      And of course the other issue is it seems rather prejudiced against families who choose to live vegetarian (or vegan), or who simply dislike the taste of meat and/or cannot consume dairy due to an allergy or intolerance.

      Of course, there is a chance that tofu and plant-based milks or (vegan) cheese & yogurts etc would be accepted, but who knows.

      Regardless of the issue of 'nannystate' etc, this policy does nothing to help ensure kids eat a healthy lunch.

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    8. Vegan diets are utterly unnatural and unhealthy. And a number of people cannot eat those at all, due to metabolic issues.

      When you get to things humans are not meant to eat, cereal grains and beans are top of the list. We are predatory omnivores, which means meat, fruit in season, and occasional leafy vegetables. Our paleolithic ancestors were more carnivorous than wolves. (Based on studies of coproliths and midden heaps.) The Inuit and Bushmen still are, and if they move to a western, weed-based diet, rapidly become obese.

      Add in the billions of animals killed in rice agriculture alone, and there's no reason for any healthy person to consider veganism.

      Though it would be healthier if we killed the animals ourselves every day, but that's not feasible in much of the world. Yet.

      I maintain 6', 185#, BP of 105/60 and perfect vision/hearing/reflexes at age 47 on a diet of meat and dairy with an occasional salad or fruit. I only eat grains and tubers when out at a restaurant.

      Either way, diet is a discussion between me, the child, and our doctor, not the state.

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    9. Mark Shields8:48 pm

      To the person above saying milk is not healthy, and neither is meat, please back up your claims, cause you are wrong.

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    10. Anonymous8:54 pm

      Really Mark? What planet are you from? Humans are the only animal that consumes another animals milk. On top of that, the milk you buy in a jug is so far from anything natural.
      Humans were never meant to thrive on milk from another animal. Maybe you should read something other than a comments section to broaden your narrow mind.

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    11. Anonymous9:20 pm

      Just want to say, THIS IS A YEAR OLD.... the date on the note is 2012 lol. Other than this particular note and the idiocy surrounding it I cannot find any solid information surrounding it. Do people not check into anything before jumping to conclusions anymore? Is the internet the be all and end all? Are we seriously THAT GULLIBLE? Comeon people check your sources, before you assume the worst. This, if it was ever real, has probably been dealt with by the town and school board that instituted the plan. Honestly.

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    12. Animal products are not needed by the human body do some research mark

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    13. Anonymous1:30 am

      Humans are also the only animals who drive cars and listen to the radio

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    14. Anonymous3:16 am

      Dairy is only consumed by humans is true perhaps because animals will eat when they are hungry, I know cats that drink milk. That being send it comes down to where you are from. 6 to 10 thousand years ago the humans living in cold weather environments ( Northern Europe, Canada and Alaska, etc) did not have the benefit of year round warm weather to be and agricultural society. They needed food and when hunting was not available which in the dead of winter it wasn't they used animal milk to survive. You can research this and see that the genome in certain groups of people has adapted to allow for the consumption of dairy. So some humans are designed to eat milk.

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    15. Humans are also the only animals to cook their meat.....so if you don't drink milk because of the "humans are the only" argument how do you take your steak?

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    16. Anonymous6:52 am

      1. Cats are actually lactose intollerant.
      2. The note is NOT a year old. The date on the note is the date that the law was passed (carried.)

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    17. Anonymous8:17 am

      I doubt they handwrite the date the law was passed on that paper every time.

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    18. Anonymous9:45 am

      >Really Mark? What planet are you from? Humans are the only animal that consumes another animals milk. On top of that, the milk you buy in a jug is so far from anything natural.

      Wh... what? Dogs will drink milk, cats will drink milk. Raccoons will drink milk, as will a number of bird species. Humans drink as much milk as we do because we worked out how to get it reliably.

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    19. Anonymous10:09 am

      Read the note again. It says December 2012. This is handwritten in, not typed. Therefore yes, this note is a year old since anyplace that sends a note home to parents writes the date it was sent and most retain a carbon copy to ensure that there are no discrepancies and as proof of when it was sent in case someone tries to argue it's validity.

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    20. Anonymous10:18 am

      To "anonymous 9:45 am":

      Domestic dogs and cats may drink milk when it's put in front of them, but they certainly do not go around suckling other animals in the wild. Biologically, dogs are meant to drink dog milk, cats are meant to drink cat milk, raccoons are meant to drink raccoon milk and HUMANS ARE MEANT TO DRINK HUMAN MILK...and only in infancy - early childhood.

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    21. Anonymous10:25 am

      Danielle,

      You're unknowingly proving the point that humans aren't meant to eat meat. If we have to cook it in order to be able to safely digest it, then perhaps we weren't designed to be eating it in the first place. Omnivorous and carnivorous animals can eat raw meat because of the digestive enzymes they possess as well as their very short GI tracts. We are not designed that way.

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    22. To whoever made the 'joke' about Germans - get with the times. WWII was a long time ago, and Germans ironically have a really healthy lifestyle. Before you throw out outdated clichés that only serve to further an outdated stereotype of Germans, come and live here for a year. What an ass.

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    23. Anonymous11:23 am

      I eat raw fish all the time.

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    24. Anonymous11:24 am

      You forget that humans weren't designed, we evolved. In fact, we have evolved to eat cooked food, not raw. You wouldn't be able to use that big, bad brain of yours if not for your ancestors consuming a lot of meat.
      http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

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    25. Anonymous10:16 pm

      If you do a little research (Pubmed is great, Google Scholar is excellent) and read some primary literature, you will see that the amount of growth hormones (BST) in milk is negligible and we do not have the receptors for it to act upon. Just because it's not natural doesn't mean it's not healthy. While it's true that because our bodies were intended to consume milk only as infants, and that many people are deficient in lactase with age because of this, a substantial proportion of humans have EVOLVED to be able to drink milk. That's the beauty of evolution. Milk offers a variety of benefits, especially and IMPORTANTLY for your bones. Here's a nice review article that summarizes the effects in (almost) layperson terms. http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2012/06/19/growth-hormones-in-milk-mythfact/

      The issue with meat is to do with nitrates - AKA preservatives - that affect special enzymes in your body that can lead to carcinogenesis. Cooking to well-done or burnt is also an issue (heterocyclic amines). However, studies typically use extremely high "doses" that are not typical of most people's habits. Moderation is the key, and besides the vegetables we eat are enough to counteract the effects.

      Anonymous, BScH (Biomedical Nutrition), MSc Candidate (Nutrition)

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    26. Anonymous1:28 am

      Soy anything is horribly unhealthy since it has naturally occurring estrogen that screws up our bodies. I'd rather have cows milk vs soy.

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    27. Anonymous6:45 am

      God made adam and eve out of adams rib and eve ate an apple so we are only meant to eat apples
      And breast milk only from eve

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    28. Anonymous10:47 am

      If we are not meant to eat meat, then why do we have teeth designed specifically for that purpose?

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    29. Anonymous11:33 am

      God created humanity. Humanity did not evolve from lower lifeforms. Evolution is a stupid theory that will be proved wrong! Pray to God for the gift of faith while there is still time.

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    30. Anonymous12:22 pm

      And Noah created an arc big enough for 7 pairs ( yes 7 go reread the bible) of each animal and lived for 950 years (Gen 9:29)... Shall I go on?

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    31. Anonymous2:50 pm

      You have NO right to decide what a child can and cannot eat!

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  2. I think food policies should be limited to what the school/daycare serves its students, not what the parents send with their kids for meals. Schools that dictate what parents can give their kids for lunch are overstepping their boundaries.

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    1. Anonymous9:15 am

      Unfortunately policies are necessary. Otherwise children do go to school with unhealthy food. At the beginning of the school my son's teacher checked to make sure they had a healthy snack and lunch. If not, they gave the parents guidance as to what was acceptable. It may seem harsh, but to me it's a good thing. Many parents are uneducated when it comes to healthy foods and I for one am glad that the school helped educate. However, Ritz crackers are NOT healthy.

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    2. Anonymous9:28 am

      How on earth did the world and school kids ever survive without the busy body do gooders to tell the rest of us how to feed our kids.

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    3. I agree. As a parent it's my prerogative to feed my children the way I see fit, according to my philosophies, budget, etc. Policies made and enforced by school admins and teachers who have ZERO nutrition education are bound to be flawed and serve no one. Feeding kids junk food b/c the lunch they were provided isn't "good enough" undermines parental authority and hugely oversteps school/daycare's boundaries. ESPECIALLY in a daycare situation where the parent is the client. This is appalling.

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    4. "Many parents are uneducated when it comes to healthy foods and I for one am glad that the school helped educate."

      Then, they shouldn't be parents!

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    5. I have to say, that everyone of you need to check yourself and your opinion, and stop bickering, because not one of you has the ability to see from another humans perspective.

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    6. ignatius11:27 am

      ["Otherwise children do go to school with unhealthy food."]

      So they make up for it with RITZ CRACKERS?

      Unless what the kid is being sent from home is a REAL problem, the school should leave it alone.

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    7. ignatius
      So they make up for it with RITZ CRACKERS?

      Unless what the kid is being sent from home is a REAL problem

      very reasonable point of view...
      also, based on this case, what they feed kids at public school, and the mass of misinformation about nutrition in this section and in the larger context, I'd say education is the next logical step...nutrition not lobbying for a market share

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  3. Why was she charged 10 when it says 5 per item and she is only " missing" one item?

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    1. Anonymous8:16 am

      She has two children.

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    2. Anonymous5:56 am

      Yes, but a box of Ritz is not $10, and two kids didn't eat a whole box for lunch. Somebody wasn't thinking that day, but I appreciate them trying to promote healthy eating. Next step... brush up on what grains are actually healthy.

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  4. Had they just changed the language from "grains" to "starch" this would not have been a problem at all.

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    1. Yeah, everywhere I've ever seen food groups referenced, it's been "grains and starches" where potatoes would qualify.

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    2. Anonymous4:57 pm

      especially since some children are gluten intolerant, they should never just "give" a child something. What if the child was allergic to peanuts? Are they going to give him a PB&J? Besides that.. have you read the ingredients list on Ritz Crackers???

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    3. Anonymous11:24 pm

      You're exactly right! Our bodies can only handle so many starches before it breaks and absorbs as fat and not energy. That's part of the problem, so many children are getting too many starches and the body is overwhelmed and unable to absorb except as a fat. Fuel storage for later. Later never comes, so they continue to get bigger. Too many grains are not good either. Especially if your body cannot digest them. Wheat, barley, rye, oats are difficult break down if your intestinal track won't allow it. Many people have Celiac and have not been diagnosed. The best thing to do is stay away from grains except once a week. Almost all additives to foods contain grains for a preservative or enhancer. This Mom packed the most sensible lunch I have ever seen a child take to school. She was right and sorry.. Grains in minimal only.. making your judgment of a fine wrong!!!! Look up Celiac and symptoms and how to be sure nutrition is met. You will be amazed! Everybody's body can only handle so much starch which is also a grain before it overloads as fat supply. People without Celiac benefit from a diet Celiac People have to do.

      I'm sorry to the Mom that is having to deal with this! If I could have your lunches, I would be so healthy and thankful!!!!

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  5. Anonymous8:37 am

    Ritz crackers are junk food. They are made of a very poor quality carbohydrate (white flour) combined with poor quality fats. They contain artificial colour and high fructose corn syrup which should never be given to children. That daycare has no idea about how to enact a reasonable nutritional policy.

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    1. Anonymous7:34 pm

      Exactly! Bloody disgraceful policy.

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    2. Ditto. Since when are Ritz crackers healthy? I thought that whatever the mom packet was good enough for the kids.

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  6. Anonymous9:10 am

    This is absolutely deplorable.From the looks of it, the child was given a very healthy meal. Ritz crackers? Seriously? That's junk! And no, a child does not need a grain or starch at every meal. They tend to reach for those things first. It's certainly not needed to round out their meals to make them healthy. I would be fuming.

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  7. Rebecca9:20 am

    Any school that requires meat and milk in a child's lunch (unless they acknowledged vegan replacements for such) would be one that my childen would not attend.

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    1. Any parent feeding their kid an utterly unnatural "vegan" diet should be jailed for neglect and abuse. Saturated fats are essential for brain development, and complete proteins for muscle.

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    2. Rebecca7:47 pm

      And saturated fats and all amino acids are found in plant foods, too, Mr. Paleo :-) You do it your way (although I thought Paleos didn't consume milk from another species?) and I'll do it my way.

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    3. Anonymous11:57 am

      We are omnivores. Our brains are as developed as they are though, due to fish, fowl, and mammal meals. question remains, will snopes debunk or not debunk.

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  8. Anonymous10:42 am

    My children attend a high needs school. We receive a lot of funding to run a snack program every day, for every student in the school. The language of the funding stipulates that every snack must contain "1 produce, 1 grain, and 1 dairy."

    You'd be amazed how unhealthy those snacks could be. Our snack director decided to send out granola bars, juice boxes and cheese strings as a Hallowe'en treat, and that was perfectly acceptable.

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    1. What if the kid is allergic to dairy?

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  9. Anonymous10:54 am

    So the next day you give your child a lunchbox in their bag which contains their lunch. You also give them a second lunch box which they carry with them. When the staff go to inspect the contents of said box, they are met with a little surprise. Dog shit or something equally as nasty. Make sure its fresh, maybe stick a few used tampons in for good measure and a note which says "obviously this is not my childs lunch, this is however what your attitude resembles. I will feed my child with what I deem fit, and you will not interfere. If you have researched healthy diets you will be fully aware of the phrase "everything in moderation" and I should inform you that I am a trained chef and that no food is deemed unhealthy. It is eating habits that are such. Thank you for your time"

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  10. Thanks for the post, Yoni. It is a great example of how "rules", such as perceived to be in Canada's Food Guide are followed to a ridiculous endpoint, to the exclusion of common sense. Having to get every nutrient at every meal has no basis. Micro-managing macronutrients ignores the reality of the many missing nutrients in processed foods.

    What if these kids had a wheat sensitivity? Or perhaps constipation problems? Or what if they just didn't like some of these foods? What if the family has religious or cultural values that modify their food choices from traditional Canadian fare? Moms would be in a better position to understand, and hopefully compensate for, these variables than a school policy made up by idealists. Most schools would do well to limit their food assessments to the foods they serve, and optionally, provide education sessions for parents who could benefit from them.
    Finally, it should be noted that what a child is served, and what a child actually eats are two different things entirely. My wife used to lovingly put together freshly made lunches for years, only to discover that at least one of our children would rather starve than eat it, or trade it where possible, or simply buy junk food in the school cafeteria or in the stores nearby. (Often it was simply because he preferred to be running around at lunch, rather than sitting down over his only free time of the day.) Kids are often quite influenced by what they perceive as "cool" food, such as anything in a colorful package! Our son's lunches would be found in the bottom of his backpack with great regularity at the end of the week.
    I am also curious what the staffers would do if a child balked at eating some of the "required" food choices. Hold them down to insert a nasogastric tube?

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    1. Anonymous1:23 pm

      yep, *beyond* the authoritarianism for not much good reason, are all the practical reasons you suggest, plus more...
      and libtards get mad when conservatards *rightly* point out how this is so much unnecessary nanny-statism... which it is...

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    2. Anonymous4:33 pm

      I would have a real problem with this as a kid. It got to the point that Mom had all of us kids making our own lunch at a young age just so she knew we would eat it. I was one of those very picky eaters so I am betting my kids will be the same. I would much rather be able to send my kids with foods they will eat but may lack all the essential food groups than have them go hungry at lunch.

      My mom's philosophy was that it didn't matter what we had for lunch as long as we ate it. A cheezwiz sandwich, raisins and crackers was a pretty normal lunch for me. She made sure the nutritional balance came from breakfast and dinner.

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  11. Randi B.11:26 am

    As a Manitoban, a dietitian, and the parent of a two year old, I'm horrified. Thanks for sharing.

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    1. Anonymous1:20 pm

      A real DIETICIAN would at least know how to spell the word...

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    2. Anonymous1:46 pm

      http://www.dietitians.ca/

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    3. Mark S2:20 pm

      ^LOL

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    4. Anonymous10:03 am

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietitian#Dietitian_vs._Dietician_spelling

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    5. Anonymous10:11 am

      that first anonymous is stupid. lol.

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    6. Anonymous12:00 pm

      Great reply, dietitians.ca ha! It is definitely not DIATICIAN.

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    7. Anonymous7:45 pm

      'Anonymous' is stupid!

      Oh, wait...

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  12. How does that (seemingly idiotic) policy works if parents/childs are vegetarian?

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    1. Anonymous1:25 pm

      simple, they must convert to being omnivores... 8^)

      more to the point: the policy is not meant to 'work for us', it is meant to CONTROL us...

      (when the system don't work, you gotta work the system...)

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  13. While my daughter doesn't have my problems (type 2 diabetes treated mostly via a low-carb diet), carbs do tend to make her "hyper" and produce ADHD type symptoms. limiting her carb intake (i.e. grains) is a good idea if you want her to be able to sit down and concentrate, like, say, in school.

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  14. Anonymous2:42 pm

    Supplemented a with commercial manufactured non-food. Ridiculous.

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  15. Anonymous3:16 pm

    This is BS. It's a DAYCARE facility and Mom would have known about the policy well ahead of time. For her to make such a big deal about it now is ridic. Find a new facility, Mom and quit your bitching.

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      you're an idiot.

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    2. Anonymous6:06 pm

      Lol wow I thought we has issues in the USA.

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    3. Anonymous9:51 pm

      haha ur a piece of worthless sh** and u stop being a bitch BITCH!!!

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  16. I would have refused to pay the fine and in place fined them for feeding my kids RITZ crackers without my consent!!! Garbage food, garbage policy.

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  17. Anonymous3:52 pm

    I would send the same Ritz Crackers to school every day, but tell my kid not to eat them.

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    1. The beauty of this idea is that because of the trans fats (ie- plastic) in the crackers, they will last all year long and never look any older. :)

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  18. I would really be in trouble. I don't serve milk or meat.

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    1. Anonymous2:00 pm

      And as a result your children's health suffers.

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    2. Anonymous3:59 pm

      Providing your child a vegan diet will not cause their health to suffer one bit. The nutrients found in milk and meat are easily obtained from plant based sources. And the fact that they are from plant based sources makes the nutrients readily available to a person's body, more so than animal based products.

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    3. jessica7:12 pm

      I am 23 and I have hypoglycemia, celiac disease, I'm lactose intolerant and do not eat red meat for health reasons (also I have researched the pros and cons to consuming red meat for years and have been going to a dietician for 6 years before anyone condemns my dietary choices) as an effect of both mu health and health related choices i can eat from each food group (and do) but since i was born with these conditions and/or developed them at an extremely young age if i had gone to this daycare as a child or if a child with similar dietary restrictions go to this daycare the supplementing of snacks / meats could cause serious pain, intestinal damage or worse...plus like mentioned before. Ritz are not really good for you

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  19. Wow. Just wow. Does the parent need to make up a story about their kid being celiac just to avoid the fine?

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  20. Anonymous4:59 pm

    First, before enforcing a program like this, they might want to educate the teachers on what foods go in which categories. They had POTATOES, last time I checked, they were considered a "starch" and that folks makes a balanced meal...

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  21. Seems it is okay for the school to dictate what is "correct" for a child to eat...I certainly don't think so. What disturbs me is that in the states the government wants to use artificial sweeteners in chocolate milk to fight obesity. I for one, would NOT want my child to be ingesting artificial sweeteners. Apparently we as parents don't have the full ability to take care of our children (tongue in cheek).

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    1. Anonymous2:39 pm

      Many parents don't...they're not researching/commenting on sites like this though, they're the ones I see every day, barely adults themselves, who play games on their phone on the subway instead of talking with their kids and then yell at them when the kid acts out because she/he's bored. They take their kid with them to dinner and talk to their partner the whole time and ignore the kid. Anyone can pop out a kid, but that does not make them parents.

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  22. Once again, the wisdom of allowing liberal ideologues and idiots to run public education is called into question.

    How much of this do we need to take back the schools and restore sanity?

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  23. Anonymous5:41 pm

    But it's not Fascism when liberals do it, apparently...

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  24. the real crime here is Comic Sans

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    1. Anonymous8:30 am

      You had to know it was either that or Papyrus

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  25. Anonymous6:08 pm

    Wow, just find a new day care. I thought we had issues in America. At least all their doing here (so far) is making us get outrageously priced insurance

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    1. Anonymous2:50 am

      It's not that simple, and I speak from experience (my oldest is in the same class as the little girl in this story). This is the only daycare in town. And daycare spots in Manitoba are notoriously scarce- in the city my kids were born the waiting lists to get in average a year or more. It's not so bad out in the sticks at least. However, the real issue here is the 'regulations' that, while I would assume are well-intentioned, cause nothing but headaches and stupid stories like this as centers are forced or unthinkingly obey them to the letter without common sense. As the story says, they've now switched to providing lunches, and its much better for everyone.

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  26. Amazing . . . when it comes to bullying schools can remain silent but, forget a grain and the parent gets fined. What is even more bizarre - and Nancy Deville author of Death By Supermarket will back me up on this - the purported good grain Ritz crackers is a factory food that is full of unhealthy chemicals. Makes one shake their head in wonderment!

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  27. Stunningly stupid policy! Until your work (Yoni) and the work of many others results in Canada's Food Guide recommendations being changed to reflect honest nutritional information this kind of thing will continue. The damage to our children from eating things like highly refined Ritz crackers is epidemic. And how could a hot dog program be seen as being any better? These are choking hazards, refined buns complete with GE ingredients, nitrate-ridden CAFO meats produced with GE feed - garbage food. This mother was giving her children a nourishing lunch. For honest information on what constitutes a nourishing diet please see the non-profit Weston A. Price initiative: http://www.nourishingourchildren.org/Home.html

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  28. Anonymous7:03 pm

    Hope someone got smacked in the kisser for this indignity.

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  29. Been there7:15 pm

    I used to work in child care programs in Manitoba. I can assure you that this is the approach taken by a single program, not by ALL programs in the province. While we would certainly encourage the children to make healthy choices from within what they were provided (ex: eat your orange before your cookies), we went with the guideline that what they were sent was what their parent wanted them to have, and it was not our responsibility to stop them. Some of our children's lunches would be supplemented - because in some lower socioeconomic areas, an apple might be their entire lunch. But we didn't charge.

    Please don't judge an entire Province's child care programs nutritional standards on the actions taken by a single centre... And even then, I think their heart was in the right place, even if the implementation was a bit off.

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  30. TYPICALLY STUPID! You think the focus on making sure kids are getting everything they need academic wise ...would be the MAIN focus. I have actually seen kids being told their luncyes weren't healthy. It was even discussed at so- called Parent Advisory Meetings. You know there's a problem when you have to remind schools that, what a parent chooses to feed thrir kid is noone elses business. In fact ...some of the lunches they sell at the school are so NOT healthy...absolutely no nutritional value.
    I know what my kids eat at home. I don't someone trying to extortmoney under the guise of health conciousness.

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  31. Anonymous7:33 pm

    I would call the bank and have them change my debt numbers. Then I'd tell them to piss off.

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  32. Anonymous7:37 pm

    What is the child was a Celiac or on a Wheat Free diet?

    That would be grounds for suing

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      supposed to read "What if..."

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  33. Wow...how crazy...I'm certainly in favour of assisting parents who are struggling to feed their kids healthy food, but this is ridiculous.....

    It gets worse actually...I followed the links to the Govt of Manitoba's "Healthy Food in Schools" page where I saw a link to "Eating Well with Canada's Food Guide - First Nations, Inuit and Métis"
    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/pubs/fnim-pnim/index-eng.php#a_3b

    That, I thought is a good idea, about time we adapted that monstrosity, only to read it and see that teenagers and adults are recommended to consume 7 servings of grains daily, along with only a total of 75g of game or fish

    When does this make sense when the only indigenous "grain" is wild rice?

    A northern hunter would eat a LOT more meat and a liberal dose of animal fat every day and not be overweight or get diabetes

    they really ARE trying to enact a genocide, the First Nations peoples are right...

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  34. Anonymous8:10 pm

    Wow. People taking this so seriously. Maybe it was a teenage employee in her first job just trying to follow the rules and not knowing how/whether to use her own common sense. That's a guess.

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  35. This story is almost certainly faked.

    Every "source" is simply reprinting the same story in the past week, even though the event it is reporting on happened on December 10, 2012 -- nearly a year ago, with NO mention of any of this content over a week ago.

    The parent in this story, Kristen Bartkiw, is a science teacher in Manitoba, an avid Pinterest user, and a Twitter user, and none of this appears in her content. Further, a teacher spreading this kind of story would likely be fired, and Kristen is still gainfully employed in the district.

    Give this another 24-48 hours of news cycle and I suspect Snopes will be de-bunking it.

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    1. Allen9:10 pm

      "This story is almost certainly faked."

      The above post seems to imply she mailed this blog personally. Note the following phrasing: "Kristen also updated me..."

      Why would she be fired? Are Canadian employment laws so strict that teachers can be terminated for telling a true story about their kids?

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  36. Anonymous8:23 pm

    I'd fine the school back $10 for putting high fructose corn syrup in my child's lunch - and send them research at least 2 inches thick on why that's a terrible idea - this is what is in Ritz crackers:

    Unbleached Enriched Flour , (Wheat Flour , Niacin , Reduced Iron , Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1) , PVM , Folic Acid) , Soybean Oil , Sugar , Partially Hydrogenated Cottonseed Oil , Salt , Leavening , Baking Soda ) , Calcium Phosphate) , High Fructose Corn Syrup , Soy Lecithin , Malted Barley Flour , Natural Flavors

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  37. No grains, so give the kid something with HFCS. Brilliant.

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  38. My children will be vegan and therefore never have meat or milk in their lunch and I would lose it if the school gave my kids animal products. There is no reason to pressure parents into feeding their children animal products even the UN endorses a plant based diet.

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    1. You are selfish. You expect the world to respect your choice on food, yet do not give your children the chance to chose. Hypocrite. Research shows a purely vegan diet is very unhealthy for a child. What both those points mean is that you are abusing your position as a parent. And abusing your child. Whether you admit it or not. Shame on you for not considering their needs over your own preference.

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    2. Rebecca8:26 am

      Oh, Rob. I guess you're not "forcing" meat on your kids, huh? What if they choose not to eat it? Please link to your "research" that shows children cannot be healthy on a vegan diet.

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    3. Anonymous4:07 pm

      Maybe Rob should take a simple anatomy & physiology course before calling others selfish. Once a person understands how the body works at the cellular level, it is easy to understand how a plant based diet is most beneficial.

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    4. Anonymous7:35 pm

      THANK YOU Rebecca!

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  39. Anonymous10:36 pm

    err RITZ is GMO

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  40. does anyone know what school/daycare this was??

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  41. Anonymous10:56 pm

    Sara. Your poor children

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  42. Anonymous11:13 pm

    Potatoes count as a grain or they should.

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  43. Anonymous11:58 pm

    ritz crackers not even real food

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  44. ian guthrie1:18 am

    I suppose the next step would be to insist on organic,

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    1. Anonymous8:15 am

      Ya know, everyone should insist that ALL food is organic. All food should be non gmo and free of poisonous chemical pesticides. Why would that be a bad thing?

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    2. ian guthrie11:31 am

      i prefer to insist that ALL people have food

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    3. Anonymous12:11 pm

      Because 'organic' says less about the safety or amount of chemicals used on the food, and more about whether or not someone, somewhere decided they were sorta 'natural'.

      Note 'natural' does not excluse 'poisonous chemical pesticides' which ARE used in organic farming, often in large quantities.

      Because a pesticide will not work if it's not poisonous, and pesticides are sometimes needed.

      Some people might want to eat food grown with pesticides chosen for their impact on the ecology rather than using the erratic 'organic' cert process, or buy local or from small-scale farms.

      'Organic' does not automatically equal 'better', 'safer' or 'no pesticides'.

      http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/2011/07/18/mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/
      http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

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  45. Anonymous3:52 am

    This was a daycare not a public school. Not to say its right but a daycare is not run by the federal govt. Unless they are receiving federal grants the federal govt has little say in what a private business chlosss to do or not do. A private business has the right to fine you for having to supplement what you are asked to provide in your child care contract ie: diapers, lunch, snack, etc. They also have the right to fine you for lateness where there staff must stay over their scheduled time w your child due to your lateness. Usually a good daycare will be understanding and overlook things that happen once in a blue moon but if the child is late or never brings something then they charge a ridiculous amount to drive the point to the parent, hey if your kid is going to go here we need you to do this please. Why do they do that you ask? Bc child care licencing sends Inspectors out to make sure your child is well care for. This includes inspecting cubbies for supplies and u guessed it lunches for the required well balanced meal a child should be getting. If thr child has a medical issue the daycare would have that info in the child's file to explain why the child cannot have a particular food or food group. Also notice that this is not one child its 2 seperate children probably siblings. All the more reason to believe that this is not a food allergy issue but more a mother who has chronically forgotten to follow the daycare SHE CHOSE rules. Daycares are a lot of the time privately owned and most do not have an abundant
    stock of extra supplies. I am sure ritz crackers though not the most healthiest of choices is simply what they had on hand.

    Our federal govt is a lot of things but we can't blame them for EVERYTHING. We can't blame them for a mom's choice in daycare, their rules, or the consequences mom must face for neglecting to follow those rules!

    That's my 2 pennies on the subject...

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      You are stupid.

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    2. No, she's not. She's right. It's a daycare, not a public school, so the federal government has nothing to do with this.

      I don't agree with her point about the mother not being able to disagree with the daycare rules (which in this case don't make sense they way they were enforced), but your comment is not helpful in any way.

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      and you ^ are a troll.

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  46. It appears that balance is only required in children's lunches, because the imbalance shown in the mental capacity of those in charge in this school is seriously in question. In any other domain this level of stupid would be grounds to be taken in for observation.

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  47. god almighty, 10 dollars for some ritz?

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      *$5 per kid.

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  48. $10 for crackers ...... hmm.. how many did they get??
    Seriously, a child's diet is ultimately up to the parents/caregiver.
    Schools should concentrate on education, an arena they are falling short on.

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      * $5 / kid. (2 kids)

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  49. Ritz crackers are not a healthy snack! They come from genetically modified wheat, full of chemicals. These early childhood education workers know nothing about healthy food, let alone most of them don't even have children of their own! Just another example of how a government can make uneducated people do things that don't make sense. I say mind your own damn business lady and get an education outside of government controlled environments!

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  50. I agree that this is ridiculous, and her kids had a complete meal that was healthier without the crackers! The school needs to re-examine what is a "balanced" meal.

    That said, I can see why schools are food police. An 8-year-old kid in my daughter's camp brought a Starbucks brownie everyday for lunch. Presumably, the parent was picking it up with his/her morning coffee? Insane.

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  51. Anonymous9:57 am

    I have dealt with this myself. I wanted the school to stop giving my child cows milk to drink, they said by law they couldn't unless I had a written document from the doctor saying my children have milk allergies. They don't have allergies though, I just don't want them drinking it. So they said I would just have to rely on them to not drink the milk given, and they can throw it out. Um ya, that is not working since my kids like milk and will drink what they are given. Thank you Mrs. Obama for your Socialistic changes.

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  52. Anonymous10:01 am

    The only unhealthy thing about that lunch was the ritz cracker the school gave the child to eat.

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  53. Anonymous10:03 am

    The think that bothered my at our local schools was when they served nachos salsa was considered the veggie. My children don't eat salsa. We don't eat peppers or onions due to allergies but the lunch people would pour the salsa on the nachos and not serve it on the side. They said it was the veggie so they had to put it on the nachos.

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  54. Yoni!

    Wow, Its been forever since I've been to your blog and I re found you on a good one. Wow, this is CRAZY!

    I'm assuming this will be invading the States soon. Or something as equally insane.

    Keep up the good work!

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  55. That was a very healthy lunch until the school added Ritz crackers - have they not read the obscene list of ingredients on the side of a ritz cracker box??!! I would sue the school for poisoning my child with all those un-necessary, addiction-promoting additives, cancer-causing colorants & un-pronouncable chemicals (never mind the GMO "grains" & "oils")!

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  56. Anonymous10:24 am

    Everyone saying "what if?" "what if?". Well what if would be that you would not send your child to that school or would have addressed the issues with allergies and religious concerns when signing the child up for the school. The "what if" is a moot point.

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  57. Anonymous11:00 am

    Our school is under a program to offer free lunches because our school has such a high indigent population. And we are thankful. But, if ketchup is not printed on the menu, it cannot be served. If the power goes out, or the caf is closed temporarily due to some drill or safety issue, the greasy fishsticks that were printed on the menu still have to be served...cold. It just gets to the point of irrationality and lack of common sense.

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  58. Ok, what's to say that families are not vegans and don't eat meats or partake of dairy?

    What about kids with starch and grain allergies?

    What if you have a child with special needs and only eats certain foods, and most they will not eat are listed above.

    No, the school boards have no rights to dictate what is in a kids lunch, and IF they feel that the child is not getting a proper lunch, either
    a) Call the parent and voice the concern, or
    b) call Child Protective Services and file a complaint and let them look into it.

    Charging parents $5 an item that is missing is infringing on the families right of how they live their lives diet wise, and the laws protect us from acts like this.

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  59. I worked at a preschool in CA that offered lunch to the children. Typical was, PB & J uncrustable, goldfish, cookies, canned fruit cocktail, fruit juice. I tried to convince the owners that they could do so much better, but they refused to spend the money. Oftentimes they would serve the kids Fruit Loops for morning snack, with FRUIT PUNCH instead of milk poured in! GROSS!

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  60. Anonymous11:33 am

    What's to say that families are not vegans and don't eat meats or partake of dairy?

    What about kids with starch and grain allergies?

    What is to say a child is not special needs and will only eat a selected food, which does not happen to be on this approved list?

    No, the Manitoba school board is over stepping their legal rights doing something like this. IF the school feels like there is an issue with a child not having a proper lunch, than they should do 1 of 2 things,
    a) Call that parents and inquire why, or
    b) Call child protective services and have them investigate.

    This school board is committing something that is not constitutional and who are they to dictate someones personal choices in diets?

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  61. It is not school or daycare's place to criticize what I put in my child's lunchbox.

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  62. BTW this is Canada, we don't put hormones in our milk.....

    And the debate about milk, meat or whatever being healthy or not has become completely subjective. You can find a study to back up whatever side of the fence you sit on. The only thing that matters is that you giver your children an overall healthy diet. Period. The argument that "humans were never mean to..."is, of course, irrelevant. Who determines what humans were meant to do? Were we meant to sit at a computer and argue what we were meant to do?

    There is, without question, an epidemic of obesity, diabetes and other health issues related to our diet and lifestyles. I understand the intent to put rules in place to protect children from falling victim to those often preventable conditions. However, this policy seems to be any sort of answer to the problem. A Ritz cracker is never really a solution to anything :)

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      Very good points Shayana.

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  63. Anonymous12:48 pm

    Anyone else find it ironic that this happened to the person who helped create that very policy?

    And people need to read closer, the school boards in the Province had zero whatsoever to do with this, it was a decision by a day care run by an association of which the person who had this happen to them was a member WHEN THAT POLICY WAS MADE.

    Unintended consequences.

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  64. Anonymous1:14 pm

    I think it's up to the parents. No one will tell me what my child can or cannot eat. My father is 91 in great health. Lived through the depression and wars, ate stuff you would not think of and he is so healthy.No blood pressure problems, no weight problems NOTHING.

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  65. Anonymous1:26 pm

    Ok, so what if the child was celiac? Then the school could be charged for potentially endangering a child? I myself am celiac and follow a paleo lifestyle, therefore, no grains. I would be stirring up a poop-storm at that school!

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  66. Anonymous1:36 pm

    This is really sick!

    No thinking parent would let their children eat Ritz Crackers!

    Come on, Canada! I am a big Canada fan; always have been! In the name of Glenn Gould, don't let us Americans corrupt your great country anymore!

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  67. Anonymous2:13 pm

    What amazes me is that the child was sent with a completely healthy meal that does not need supplements at all when is the last time as a parent any of you have said to your child save room for cracker's or chips don't eat all your roast???????? As far as the whole vegan thing live how you want but realistically vegans try and shove there beliefs down others throat all the time I was raised on meat cheese bread milk .........etc we had a salad at every meal but I or any of my siblings would have been able to play sports with just a salad ........probably wouldn't happend I agree u should feed your kids how you see fit but it is proven they need meat whether its fish chicken beef or pork as far as the vegan side of it there are just as many preservatives in tofu and vegan burgers if your worried about hormones go organic the whole thing of this post is those kids were sent with a healthy lunch and should not have been fi ed at all all the bickering I think the point has been lost

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  68. Anonymous2:23 pm

    We do not need meat. It's one of the causes of all our disease. Read Dr. McDougall, Mercola, Barnard, Esselstyn, etc. As far as being an athlete. You have to bulk up on carbs, not protein. Ask any person who runs a marathon. Can you say ketosis? And vegans don't just eat tofu and veggie burgers, but grains and potatoes and veggies galore. Never get sick and feel great all the time.

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  69. OMG.. are you people dense? This is an absolute disgrace what we are reading here. WHY are you allowing GOVERNMENT DICTATE?
    Your freedom of raising your kids is dwindling and we have dough-heads talking about ... well maybe if she put an extra pc of fruit??? are you kidding me? WALK TO THE FEMA camps. Ignore that vaccines (provided for population control) are being administered WITHOUT ure permission now. 48,000 children in India are now paralyzed from that vaccine. Why not just let government tuck them into bed? Sick sick people.

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  70. I can't believe they have that much time to sift through each child's lunch.

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  71. Anonymous3:32 pm

    SO... make your kids lunch and get randomly fined $$ if *they* think there is something wrong with it, or just give up and pay the contractor for the school food. Sounds like a conspiracy...

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  72. So, these kids not only have to eat chemicals found in Ritz Crackers but also have to eat meat (full of antibiotics and chemicals) and milk ( Dairy: 6 Reasons You Should Avoid It at All Costs or Why Following the USDA Food Pyramid Guidelines is Bad for Your Health (VIDEO) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... )...Well, I guess the cancer treatment companies want to have their future patients. Disgusting!

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    1. Agreed. They can choose to eat those things if they want, they shouldn't be imposing their views of healthy eating on families, especially when a lot of research has shown that the things they demand can actually be unhealthy.

      People, pick up a book sometime and do your research.

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  73. Anonymous4:17 pm

    Government, schools, etc, has no business telling a parent what they can feed their child. Regardless of if I agree with the lunch a parent sends to school with their child, they are that child's parent and that should be their choice and nobody else's. Same as it should be MY choice to send my child with whatever I deem appropriate. And, contrary to popular belief, you don't have to eat each food group at every single meal. Completely crazy!

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      yeah something just isn't right with all of this. I think if a parent was abusing or endangering a childs life with food?? well maybe,..but this is just stupid.

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  74. No government has the right to tell a person what or what not to eat. That is an individual choice. No government has the right to tell a parent what their child must or must not eat. Children are the responsibility of their parents, not the government nor of fuzzy-minded do-gooders.

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  75. Anonymous4:50 pm

    The parents should start by shoving those ritz crackers up the principal's back door, then they can work up and down the food chain shoving ritz crackers up the back door of anyone else who cares to interfere in their child's well being.

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      HOOT HOOT! well said!

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  76. This is absolutely ridiculous! Another reason I am SO GLAD I'm homeschooling our children.

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  77. Anonymous5:07 pm

    That's pure fascism/communism

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  78. Anonymous5:20 pm

    The policy requires 1 milk and 1 meat. There happens to be an obscure religion that forbids eating both of those in the same meal.

    Oh wait, Jews aren't obscure. Well, apparently Manitoba has never heard of them, or just wants to chase them all out of the state, along with Hindus and anyone who is gluten intolerant or allergic.

    If your family is Jewish or Hindu, they'll just force your child to violate your religious principles. If your child is allergic, they may KILL him or her...and charge you ten bucks for the favor.

    (My Wordpress ID is my email address, which is apparently not allowed here, so I have to be Anonymous.)

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  79. Anonymous5:29 pm

    RITZ have High fructose cornsyrup. Who fines the school for that?

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  80. Anonymous5:40 pm

    they werent cited for not supplying ritz crackers, they were cited for not providing a grain. the center just had ritz crackers. i own a daycare and our guidelines are the same. and yes we can be cited for noncompliance. but, i can provide rice, oats, whole grain chips, or crackers, etc for the grain. this is their consideration of a balanced diet. i think there are to many carbs put into our kids diets but that is do to the pryramid food tree. and for those who dont eat carbs for medical reasons, same as milk products, we are required to have a doctors note and that ends the problem. just have a good dr who agrees with your food choices and have him/her send a note..

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  81. Well at least people have found something today to be furious about.. Shouldn't be a total loss. No day should be wasted by being happy.

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  82. Anonymous6:47 pm

    If you agree to the policy, abide by it or pay the fine. Its simple. If you don't like it then go elsewhere rather than whine about it.

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  83. Anonymous6:49 pm

    I probably wouldn't put both potatoes and ritz crackers into my lunch, and both would probably be too carb/starch for a small child's stomach, so I'd bet they'd eat just the refined flour crackers instead. Potato is a complex carb, and a healthier one than refined crackers, imo.

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  84. "Our paleolithic ancestors were more carnivorous than wolves."

    LMAO

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  85. Anonymous6:53 pm

    ok would they fine such a parent with lets say,..an overweight kid that bought with him a entire box of ritz crackers? and three times the serving size of food groups needed??? hmm Lots of talk lately about bmi and skinny kids eating junk and overweight kids eating healthy,...whatever,..How about footing the bill for some real physical education like we had back in the 70's??? have free after school sports everyone can attend,..instead of just telling parents and kids what they SHOULD be eating! Its not always about the food! Too much of anything is not good and lack of physical activities in this day and age. More times it can be about how that food is burned off and genetics. Hand out vitamins whatever. Cant afford more physical education like I had when I was kid? so blame the parents on how they feed their kids.

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  86. Anonymous7:28 pm

    Can anyone offer proof that this if for real? It happened a year ago, it's being presented as fact. Which school? Why did thye do this (if they really did.)

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  87. Anonymous7:41 pm

    oh not to mention dr. OZ (who knows everything) said white rice and crackers are super bad as they give no nutritional value. Rice is a grain right? lol eshhhhhhhhhhh

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  88. Anonymous8:19 pm

    How does one feel about having that job of inspecting school lunches? And how do they get around to every child? considering most kids only have 25 minutes and hardly make it through the lunch line to wolf down their food! Do they come back to the same children expecting them to fail? Or is this just a small scale thing? Sounds kind of crazy to me.

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  89. Anonymous8:35 pm

    This story is from 2012...why are we discussing this now?

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  90. Anonymous9:10 pm

    LOL anonymous and the milk comments:
    You are truly one of the stupid people on the planet. Stop spread your lies.

    Humans are also the only 'animals' who vaccinate against diseases, build water supplies, boil our water, chlorinate our water so we don't get sick, and remove and treat our sewage, rather than pissing and shitting in our water supplies.

    We need another pandemic to kill off idiots like yourself.

    For you morons that think there need to be policies about what parents pack:
    Mind your own business. I'm sure the glass houses you live in have very thick, rock proof glass.

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  91. Well, if I had gone to that school my parents would be fined all the time. Since I'm coeliac no grains (bar rice) ever enter my lunches or any other meals for that matter!

    Politicians, leave our kids alone.

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  92. Anonymous9:51 pm

    School systems are supposed to educate and protect our children while in their charge and leave the rest like behavior, deportment, achievement, diet etc. to the parents. Unfortunately, many parents fail in their responsibilities but perhaps not the to the degree that the schools fail. Children are harmed while in the charge of the school and the academic achievements are dismal. Should these failing school systems be fined also? All those responsibilities and problems and they worry about not enough grain!!! Sounds to me like a self appointed nutritionist and lack of senior leadership.

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  93. I'm sorry..........I'm shocked that you would be happy that there now is a lunch provided by the same BOZOs who developed the policy in the first place!!!! I would not want this crew any where near my kid and certainly not in charge of feeding them!!!

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  94. Anonymous1:00 am

    OK, I promise, my final comment on this thread. I happened to find the Manitoba regulation at http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/regs/pdf/c158-062.86.pdf . The applicable sections are 16 and 31 which require the licensee (operator) of the daycare to (when the operator provides meals and snacks) ensure they are in conformance with the food guide etc. In other words, this entire story is fabricated around a parent coop child care that created their own nightmare by over interpreting the legislation and then one of the parents (who was on the board that created the nightmare) complaining that it is the government's fault. This makes my head hurt so much....... And yet no where are any of the sensationalist news sights going to publish huge stories that say, whoops we got it wrong. Now a fact is created amongst the parents of young children that Manitoba forces children in day care to eat Ritz crackers.

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  95. I would pack exactly 1 grain in the lunch box next time. Exactly 1 grain...

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  96. So if your child has to eat gluten free, they are going to have a problem in that school system. My niece recently complained that when she sent her granddaughter to school with food the school took away her grapes and her yogurt because they contained too much sugar. She said they frequently decide what her granddaughter can and can't have... I think that's crazy.

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  97. They need to take that fine, and force feed it to the a hole that issued it.
    Then Jail him for Civil Rights Violations.

    Its is NOBODY'S "Right" to tell MY kids what to eat.

    Its a Violation of several Amendments of the Constitution.

    Disgusting...

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  98. Anonymous9:01 am

    This is a story? This is a joke. The mother received the note nearly a year ago, the school didn't fine her and the school no longer has that same policy. Since when? Who knows- article doesn't say. If this story is politically motivated then just be honest and say so.

    Anyone know why a rule like this put in place at all? Was it because parents weren't giving their kids healthy lunches - or a lunch at all? In this case, sounds like the mother provided a healthy lunch and a teacher or whomever went overboard. Big deal. Jeezuz. First World Problems.

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  99. Anonymous10:32 am

    so my question is simple what if the child had celiac disease and you just gave her something that contained wheat cause she didn't have any grains... minutes later your going to be rushing that child to the hospital cause she can't eat grains as in gluten free... hmmm wake the hell up people .. people in authority such as government figures and others had better get there head out of there butt and come out from under that rock your hiding under cause we the people want some damn answers... time to take charge people... take care of number one never mind the others... those in authority don't have any rights anyways... there peeps just like us .. don't be afraid to speak your mind...

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  100. Ritz crackers are filled with GMO ingredients. Why must our society push GMO foods? If it was my child, I would fight that tooth and nail. No one has the right to tell me I have to poison my child with GMO's.

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  101. A maybe crazier school rule is this one that prohibits preschoolers from holding hands and touching.
    http://www.theprovince.com/news/Aldergrove+school+tells+kindergarten+kids+Hands+each+other/9124456/story.html
    Well motivated--but nuts!

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  102. Anonymous12:43 pm

    Lord, I beseech thee, save us from the well-intended do-gooders, for they have no idea wtf they are doing!

    For they will cause the normal and reasonable ones to rise up with red, contorted faces, and come forth bellowing at high levels of decibel, pounding their fists on tables 'til, yea, they break their own bones, and they will have no hair, as it will lie all scattered and pulled out on the floor.

    You will hear these people, previously known as mellow, and maybe not as believers that you see in church, but now you will hear them cry out, "Why, God, why? What have I done so wrong that I must put up with such inanity??" - or perhaps you will hear words that are not as prayerful.

    And it is hoped that cooler heads will prevail, that the words spoken by Solomon will be heard, "This too shall pass." So we humbly ask you, here, in our moment of need, today and every day, to please give us strength. For we are in great need of it.

    And our brethren in Canada, too. Amen.

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  103. Anonymous12:45 pm

    As if Ritz Crackers were a wholesome food. This is processed crap. Bunch of stupid people. The Canada food guide is not the bible. Also this is one meal of the day. Anything missing could be supplemented in a subsequent meal the child would have at home.

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  104. Anonymous1:29 pm

    Ritz crackers? Why not Cheezits? Or Oreos? Or Twinkies? How about Devil Dogs? Or Little Debbies? Or how about Rice Crispy bars?

    (sigh) Mothers just don't know how to pack lunches like evil corporate entities.

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  105. Anonymous1:45 pm

    Rits Crackers, really?! There are many other options for grains other than that processed, GMO crap they call crackers!

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  106. Anonymous2:29 pm

    I know that a potato isn't a grain, but it is a starch/carb, so I think if I was the teacher I'd let it slide...

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  107. Anonymous2:35 pm

    Betcha the hot lunches cost a bomb.

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  108. Anonymous2:36 pm

    Must be one of those liberal provinces.....likely some over weight teacher who can't discern that carrots are high starchy veggies and potatoes can be interchanged in the heart and stroke and Canadian diabetes diet. Welcome to indoctrination of our children...

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  109. Anonymous2:56 pm

    Anonymous at 10:18. If cats won't drink milk if 'humans' don't set it in front of them, then why did my farm cats, who were well fed, run behind the milk cows and lap up milk which fell from the teats? Why did my dairy goat have to be kept from drinking from the milk buckets, when she was 4 years old? She was not under fed either. Many animals , along with humans, are opportunists when it comes to food. Famine proves this.

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  110. Our daughter and half of her class all developed lactose intolerance in less than 10 months. I found very quickly when I started research that pasteurized milk is TOXIC. When myself, and other parents brought this to the attention of the school we were met by scepticism and hostility. We had to each go to a doctor, prove that the kids had developed lactose intolerance before they would stop trying to force milk through their lunch program. Anyone every heard of the Pottenger cat study? Or the "tale of two cows", I recommend every parent go and do a bit of research. So after cutting dairy out of our diet we have noticed some immediate changes in health, our daughters acne went away, she sleeps better, has less headaches, less cramping during her period. Our childrens immunity is better, their thought processes and learning comes much easier, with our 12 year old now excelling in subjects she was struggling with before. We are all feeling much better now, and it came as quite a surprise that it was effecting us that much. If we can figure this out as a family, what is health Canada's excuse? Their recommended dietary chart is completely outdated, and their allowable additives and chemical derivatives are beyond insane. Lets put it this way, back in the 50s-60s when they were creating these guidelines, food was far better, a tomato back then had 5 times the nutrition that one has today, and the same can be said for almost all of our foods. Time to take back our food, eat more whole and raw veggies, remove all neurotoxins including aspartame, and MSG in all of its 28 different chemical process names, and start being healthy again. Did you know that the pharma industry uses MSG to create obesity and diabetes in rats so they can test new treatments? The same MSG that in humans causes a hyper pancreatic response, dumping up to 5x the insulin that the body needs into the blood...Say hello to obesity and type 2 diabetes. Go look at the industries own studies, and then walk down your local grocery store and look at what all has MSG. 80% or more of the food you consume has MSG in one form or another, it is quite often listed 3-5 times under different chemical process names. My father had diabetes and was 30 lbs overweight, so I went through his cupboard and tossed almost everything, he went on a whole foods and fish diet. Within 3 months he lost his extra weight and his diabetes went away. When I sent this information to the federal minister of health, THE NEXT MORNING, I had a carbon copy response telling me how wrong I was. I don't know if any of you have ever dealt directly with federal ministers, but you DO NOT get a reply in less than 10 hours. Interestingly enough, the studies and data I sent were all from the food industry and pharmaceutical groups. scientifically reviewed data. In summary the government of Canada is absolutely clueless, and their industry masters call the shots, even if it is making an obesity and diabetes epidemic.

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